Big Poll News in Iowa

John Edwards has a strong lead in the latest Iowa poll, but that's not the biggest news.  Barack Obama is now in second place, and Mitt Romney has a solid lead for the Republican nomination, with John McCain barely beating Rudy Giuliani for second place.

The Iowa Poll shows Edwards, a former U.S. senator from North Carolina, is the first choice of 29 percent of those who say they definitely or probably will attend the January caucuses, which kick off the nominating process for the nation.
Obama, a U.S. senator from Illinois, edges out Clinton for second place in the poll -- 23 percent to 21 percent.
Also in double digits at this early stage of the race is New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, the choice of 10 percent of likely caucus participants. Presidential preferences include people leaning toward supporting a candidate.

Edwards    29
Obama      23
Clinton      21
Richardson 10

Romney   30
McCain    18
Giuliani     17

I have to ask what this means for John, who lately has had his lead questioned.  The bigger question for me, though, is what in the hell is Barack doing in 2nd place?  This should definitely be a big day for Obama supporters, and anyone who doesn't want a certain someone to be the nominee.
Romney, having recently led a poll in New Hampshire, now is securely in 1st place in this poll.  I'm interested in hearing how people feel about Multiple-Choice Mitt.  Is he now the front-runner?  Is he dangerous, or will he be easy to beat?

And also, do you think it's real, or that it matters?  Barack is still within the MOE of 3rd.  This could be an outlier for Romney.

The poll was conducted May 12-16, of 400 likely Democratic and 401 Republican caucus-goers. MOE= + or - 4.9%



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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Mitt Romney has spent so much money I'd be suprised if he hasn't gone anywhere.  At least we can see where it's going to now.  He'll probably take some more shots next debate from other candidates.  

As for the Democrat poll, I don't know what to think... it's only 400 people and this is a general trend we've been seeing.  Edwards lead isn't terribly strong in Iowa, so I think Obama's camp is in a decent place now, but all three candidates are in a good place to move somewhere if they play there cards right.

Iowa is fairgame for the top tiers on the D side.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sat May 19, 2007 at 11:38:42 PM EST

Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (3.00 / 1)

Edwards and Richardson are the only 2 democrats showing ads in Iowa.  It's a 100% guarantee that Richardson is not going to be the nominee.  I'm not certain Edwards will even be in the race by the time Iowa caucus' happen.  This is a race between Obama and Hillary, The future versus the past.  


by vamonticello on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:12:26 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (3.00 / 4)

Obama is the most popular second choice of likely caucus participants, cited by 25 percent. That compares with 22 percent for Edwards and 19 percent for Clinton.  Richardson is apparently winning support from Clinton supporters, her poll numbers went down, his went up.


by vamonticello on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:20:43 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

These second choice numbers are really important.  Any candidate's supporters who receive less than 15% in the caucus are forced to register their support for another candidate.  This is what artificially deflated Dean's support in 2004 and made it look like such a disappointing finish for him.
He might have made a reasonable showing had there not been a substantial "anyone but Dean" feeling among voters for less-known candidates.  
Candidates like Edwards and Obama need to be really careful not to alienate the supporters of the second-tier candidates.
There should be more reporting about these second-choice numbers.  (For example, who would Richardson's supporters go for as a second choice?)
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by psericks on Sun May 20, 2007 at 10:25:45 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

I don't really think this deserves a 3 but the person who 0 rated you is just a jackass and hopefully this balances the Karma.


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by yitbos96bb on Mon May 21, 2007 at 03:45:32 PM EST
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wow, so much to disagree with (3.00 / 4)

in such a short comment.

Dodd is also on the air in Iowa.

Richardson is a longshot, but you are nuts if you think it's 100 percent guarantee that he will not be the nominee. He could easily break into the top tier, especially if one of the current top tier implodes later this year. He is the only governor in the race, which is an advantage.

Edwards was still polling at 5 percent in Iowa in November 2003 and came damn close to winning the caucuses. I would not count Richardson out now, although as I said, he is a longshot.

Edwards will be in the race next January--bank on that. He won't raise as much as Hillary and Obama, but he will raise enough to compete in Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:27:46 AM EST
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Re: wow, so much to disagree with (none / 0)

I've been meaning to ask if you thought Richardson would break 15% in many places.  What do you think?


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by jallen on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:30:44 AM EST
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I would not be surprised (3.00 / 1)

He is the only governor in the race--a lot of people like governors.

He is a little more conservative, and there are definitely conservative Democrats in Iowa. They're not the majority, but there are enough of them to hit 15 percent in some areas.

I hear a lot of people say they want to learn more about him. In my precinct, at least half a dozen people who were for Kerry last time have told me that they are considering Richardson (among others).

Just this morning I ran into a couple who were for Kerry last time in my precinct. They told me they are leaning toward Edwards. They have ruled out Obama and Clinton but want to learn more about Richardson.

There is an opening here for Richardson--I have no doubt about that. He's already polling at 10 percent, and his name recognition isn't that high. My recollection is that Edwards was polling at 5 percent in November 2003.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun May 20, 2007 at 01:37:43 AM EST
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Re: I would not be surprised (none / 0)

How respected and known is Daschle in Iowa? Is he an adequate partial offset to Vilsack- or does it not matter?


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by mboehm on Sun May 20, 2007 at 05:21:28 AM EST
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endorsements don't matter (3.00 / 1)

Tom Harkin endorsed Dean--didn't matter.

I don't know too many people who were supporting Vilsack, but those I know of are still undecided and not leaning toward Clinton.

I have no sense how well-known Daschle is. I always liked the guy myself. If any endorsement is going to help Obama, it would be Attorney General Tom Miller, but he was for Lieberman last time (jumped on the Kerry bandwagon only at the very end), and look how far that went.

I think Iowans like to make up their own minds.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun May 20, 2007 at 10:37:46 AM EST
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Re: I would not be surprised (none / 0)

"In my precinct, at least half a dozen people who were for Kerry last time have told me that they are considering Richardson (among others)."

That's an indictment against Richardson, not a compliment.


by Double B on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:50:19 PM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (3.00 / 1)

COMPLETELY disagree! Edwards has a great chance in winning.His support is not in the media but his support is in the people.


by yann123 on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:52:37 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Edwards will be there, worry yourself not. He will win too.


by RDemocrat on Sun May 20, 2007 at 02:09:32 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

I'm not certain Edwards will even be in the race by the time Iowa caucus' happen.

That's an odd view ... as long as he continues to make headway, there's no reason for him to drop out.


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by BruceMcF on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:18:12 PM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (3.00 / 1)

Don't believe what you see on teevee. It's not a two way race between Obama and Hillary.

Edwards is very much in the running and has maintained a steady lead in Iowa since he announced.


by NCDemAmy on Sun May 20, 2007 at 03:20:33 PM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

By Edwards has a strong lead, I meant stronger than the last two polls, one of which showed him two points ahead, the other two points behind (though that was a crazy poll).


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by jallen on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:18:32 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Oh, haha.  When I wrote that I wasn't necessarily responding to anything you wrote, just that his lead is only 6 points.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:47:08 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Go Edwards! And go Obama!

And go Romney? Nah. I would bet this is a temporary situation. It is getting safer to assume Fred and Newt will both be in this race at some point (neither of whom were included in this poll).

I think the biggest surprise is Richardson's recent rise. I would love to know who he saps support from.


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by LandStander on Sat May 19, 2007 at 11:46:58 PM EST

Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (3.00 / 3)

Edwards also has the highest favorable rating in the poll.


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by clarkent on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:06:26 AM EST

Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

The Democratic race is getting tighter in Iowa. The Des Moines Register site is down at this hour so I could not see what the MOE is.

I am a little surprised at Romney. I had thought his 1st place in NH was more because of him being governor in a neighboring state but this may indicate he now has momentum. I think he could be a formidable candidate.


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by robliberal on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:09:04 AM EST

Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Updated for MOE.


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by jallen on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:14:00 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (3.00 / 1)

I'd be happy to have Romney as the GOP nominee. It will be fun to nail the Republicans for someone who is the ultimate flip-flopper - 4 years after they did the same to us.


by PsiFighter37 on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:19:33 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

I don't know.

I'd rather the Republicans run Guliani or one of the others who can't attack on "family values" without looking like an absolute hypocrite.

Romney has that "clean cut" look, I think he will be harder to beat than you think.


by ManfromMiddletown on Sun May 20, 2007 at 01:56:26 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Yeah, but it will be a lot of fun to brand him as a flip flopper... give the GOP a bit of their own medicine.  Romney more of flip flopper than Kerry ever was.


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by yitbos96bb on Sun May 20, 2007 at 02:26:45 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Not only that, but he's a flip-flopper from Massachusetts, a slick, big city, New England liberal.  The guy used to be pro-choice and said he was a bigger advocate for gay rights than Ted Kennedy, but now he's a conservative Christian.  Right.


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by jallen on Sun May 20, 2007 at 02:29:39 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Good call, I forgot the North East element as well.  I always think Utah with him because of the Olympics.


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by yitbos96bb on Mon May 21, 2007 at 03:46:44 PM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

The Des Moines Register poll traditionally has the best record of gauging the state of play in Iowa, correct? And they only conduct the poll quarterly, I believe. Poll experts, please correct me if I'm wrong on either count.

As an Obama supporter, I'm very happy with these results.


by gin pahit on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:13:37 AM EST

my sense is that Obama is second (3.00 / 3)

I am still having trouble finding a single person who plans to caucus for Clinton in my precinct.

And robliberal and georgep, before you start talking about the over-50 crowd, I should tell you that my neighborhood has a lot of empty nesters, and I come into contact with lots of my parents' friends (who are in their 60s, 70s or 80s).

Plenty of people like Clinton, but dismiss her as unelectable. Plenty of other people don't like Clinton.

I think there are way more undecideds than any poll would have you believe. My best guess is that 30 to 40 percent of the caucus-going Democrats I talk to are undecided. These are people who actually attended a precinct caucus in January 2004 (not just my precinct--all over central Iowa).


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by desmoinesdem on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:44:26 AM EST
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Re: my sense is that Obama is second (none / 0)

the pro Hillary poster her think that anyone who likes Clinton  will vote for her nomination, after talking with several relatives about Obama who leave in the Newyork tri-state area thye go from soft Hillary to strong Barack because of electability and just a generic change from the past 20 years of people on the stage. They like Hillary just fine but juust feel it's time for new people to lead the party especially when hearing about Hillary's general election ceiling. A subtle message from Obama and his supporters is all it's gonna take to show that Hillary juust isn't our best this year.


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by nevadadem on Sun May 20, 2007 at 03:07:35 AM EST
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Re: my sense is that Obama is second (none / 0)

EXACTLY!!

My mother is in her late 60's and have no intention of voting for Clinton.  She was skeptical on Obama but has come around and donated to his campaign.  I asked her about her friends, and they like Clinton, but as you think her unelectable and don't want to hear about Monica Lewinsky, AGAIN.


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by icebergslim on Sun May 20, 2007 at 09:11:29 AM EST
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This would tie in with Chris's view ... (none / 0)

... that Hillary is a common choice of people who are pushed for a choice ... in ordinary conversation, they would more likely give the accurate answer, which is that they have not made up their mind on who they will support.


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by BruceMcF on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:20:07 PM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

As an Obama supporter i'm happy too. All he has to do is beat Clinton in Iowa. If he comes in second to Edwards that would still be great news. It really sets up New Hampshire and South Carolina for the challange. A win for Obama in both these states, who allow independants to vote in the democratic primaries, would be a great setup for Feb 5th, and would completely destroy the Clinton ineveitability meme once and for all.

Great news

by enarjay on Sun May 20, 2007 at 01:54:48 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (3.00 / 1)

I wonder if the 16 votes campaign and kind of sticking it Grassley is helping Obama in Iowa.  Personally, I think he has been among the strongest I have seen hom over the last two weeks, but that is  of course fairly subjective.


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by yitbos96bb on Sun May 20, 2007 at 02:29:28 AM EST
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my subjective view (none / 0)

The people I know who are for Obama, or leaning toward Obama, were won over during the first couple months of this year. I don't think that sticking it to Grassley has made a significant difference--I think he's been over 20 percent in Iowa for a while.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun May 20, 2007 at 10:40:56 AM EST
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Re: my subjective view (none / 0)

I thought he was high teens.  These numbers seem higher than the last few iowa polls.  I'm not saying the 16 votes is making a huge huge difference, but it seems like it might at least giving a 3-4 point bump.


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by yitbos96bb on Mon May 21, 2007 at 03:51:33 PM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Because of his strong showing among independents, I think has a good shot of winning New Hampshire.  If he were to beat Hillary in Iowa (take second place) and win South Carolina outright but lose Nevada, he would go into Super Tuesday by far the strongest of the three.  And with the votes of african americans, young people and independents he will do very well on super tuesday even if he loses NY and FLA.

That's my prediction seven plus months out.


by aiko on Sun May 20, 2007 at 08:26:00 AM EST
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Great points. (none / 0)

Obama really only needs a strong second in Iowa...because he's already well positioned in SC and possibly NH.  He would have beaten Clinton (assuming a Clinton 3rd in IA) in 3 of the first four states...well positioned for Feb. 5th.

One concern for Edwards...while I understand the "bet on Iowa" strategy, the CW is already in place for an Edwards win.  He might need to win by a fair amount to get the bounce he would need in NH, especially with a strong 2nd by Obama.  That's a tougher scenario, but not impossible.  I think the other situation (Clinton a strong second) is also a problem.  Hmm....


by rashomon on Sun May 20, 2007 at 11:12:35 AM EST
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Re: Great points. (3.00 / 1)

I disagree with this.  He's a distant third nationally.  It may be CW among people following the race, but I think it will still be a big story on January 8 if Edwards wins the race, but is still 3rd nationally.  He will get a nice bump from Iowa.


by Double B on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:54:32 PM EST
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Re: Great points. (none / 0)

But he needs the bump to happen in New Hampshire, where most of the voters will have already made up their minds, and might not want a repeat of 2004 when Iowa decided the race.

A national bump will fade if he can't win other states.


by eskimo on Sun May 20, 2007 at 02:10:59 PM EST
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Re: Great points. (3.00 / 1)

As of now, he appears from the averages to be strong enough in NH to be able to win from an Iowa bump.


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by jallen on Sun May 20, 2007 at 02:12:48 PM EST
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Re: Great points. (none / 0)

I guess it depends on the size of the victory. If he were to beat Obama by just a few points, a New Hampshire victory would be far from a guarantee.


by eskimo on Sun May 20, 2007 at 03:11:34 PM EST
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Re: Great points. (none / 0)

Then the two of them would take the top two positions there, and it'd be a two man race.  I can accept that either way.  I don't have a problem with that.


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by jallen on Sun May 20, 2007 at 03:14:09 PM EST
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You are assuming he won't make any ... (none / 0)

... headway in New Hampshire over the next eight months, and its far too early to start projecting what NH is going to look like come Jan 1 2008. A lot of people will get serious about scrutinizing candidates after Labor Day.


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by BruceMcF on Sun May 20, 2007 at 03:58:55 PM EST
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On the other hand, its an open race ... (3.00 / 1)

... both ways, and while the Democratic primary ought to draw more independents, it won't be by the same margin as it would if the Republican nomination was basically sewn up.


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by BruceMcF on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:21:06 PM EST
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Re: Romney (3.00 / 2)

This is who Republicans are:  People who would nominate GW Bush and Romney, both obvious phonies.  Romney is actually appealing to them.  This is not a fluke.


by McFrederick on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:39:30 AM EST

Re: Romney (none / 0)

on the flip side, romney is good for dems 'cos he's a non-traditional candidate like clinton and obama. so he'll keep rethugs at home while the rest of the country go out in full force to capture the white house.

i'm actually glad that they like romney. by the way, romney will be good for america than guiliani. romney will return to his level head when if he wins the white house. rudy is scary; he has so much to prove to rethugs that he might govern more conservatively than GWB.

either way, romney has no cross over appeal among democrats and independents so he's our best hope. in that sense he's like clinton.


by pmb on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:51:28 AM EST
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Re: Romney (none / 0)

I would disagree that Romney has no crossover appeal. I think he may have more crossover appeal than McCain and Guiliani.


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by robliberal on Sun May 20, 2007 at 11:20:34 AM EST
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Re: Romney (none / 0)

Romney's $350 million personal fortune has to help him.  That is a whole lot of money.


by aiko on Sun May 20, 2007 at 08:26:56 AM EST
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Republican crossovers for Democrats (3.00 / 4)

Obama 15%
Richardson 11%
Edwards 9%
Clinton 6%
by Lorraine on Sun May 20, 2007 at 01:13:27 AM EST

Good news for Edwards (and Romney) (none / 0)

Romney is really making the Repub nomination interesting. I think part of it is the debates - he seems to come off very personable and people are maybe buying his new conservatism.


by okamichan13 on Sun May 20, 2007 at 01:21:23 AM EST

Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

As an Obama supporter, i am also kind of please with this result, specially when you realise that Obama is not running TV ads yet in Iowa.

My problem with this poll is that only 400 people participated in the polling + it has a huge MOE of 5...If you take into account the MOE, this race could be a 3 way race at this  moment.

Anyway, just like i've said, my candidate is not running ads yet, and when he does, i will expect something off the chart that would give him some kind of boost in Iowa....Clinton,Edwards and Richardson have already unloaded ads...Well ads is on the internet.


by JaeHood on Sun May 20, 2007 at 01:30:09 AM EST

Edwards, Richardson and Dodd are on tv (none / 0)

Clinton's ad was only on the internet so far.

You are correct, Obama has not run any ads in Iowa yet. He'll have plenty of money when he gets around to doing that...


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by desmoinesdem on Sun May 20, 2007 at 01:39:30 AM EST
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Re: Edwards, Richardson and Dodd are on tv (none / 0)

If he can stay close without running any until Q3, he's should get a nice bump when he goes on the air.


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by yitbos96bb on Sun May 20, 2007 at 02:31:06 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

IIRC, 400 is pretty common for statewide polls.


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by jallen on Sun May 20, 2007 at 03:03:24 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (3.00 / 1)

It's a little low, but the increased statistical accuracy of a large sample size is not really cost justified given the fuzziness in a likely voter model this far out.
by IVR Polls on Sun May 20, 2007 at 10:40:59 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (3.00 / 1)

Obama has also planned a massive canvassing operation for Iowa sometimes soon...He had about 600 people to show up on a rainy day to work for him,but in Iowa, i expect about a 1,000 people if it's a nice weather day + Illinois is next door...They will have some people from Illi making the trip.


by JaeHood on Sun May 20, 2007 at 02:05:34 AM EST

Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

the Mitt Romney number is the shocker, he wins Iowa like that he will crush in NH good luck stopping him then, I still think Fred will beat them all.


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by nevadadem on Sun May 20, 2007 at 03:02:54 AM EST

Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Notice that Fred and Newt are not included in that Iowa poll. That's what people missed while comparing it to others. Romney apparently swoops up the conservative support if Thompson and Gingrich are not among the choices.

It's true they are not running as of yet, but most recent GOP polls, national and statewide, have included them.

Romney is running TV ads while others are not, so he better be gaining.


by Gary Kilbride on Sun May 20, 2007 at 06:42:34 AM EST
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44% Iowa Dems would like to see Gore run!! (3.00 / 1)


Poll: Many would like Al Gore, Condoleezza Rice to run

By JONATHAN ROOS
REGISTER STAFF WRITER
Copyright 2007, Des Moines Register and Tribune Company

May 20, 2007

Al Gore, many Iowa Democrats want you to join the presidential race.

Condoleezza Rice, Newt Gingrich and Fred Thompson, many Iowa Republicans would like you to throw your hats in the ring as well.

Forty-four percent of likely Democratic caucus participants say they'd like to see the race include Gore, the former vice president who lost by a whisker to George W. Bush in the 2000 presidential election.

Gore said last week he has "fallen out of love with politics" but has not completely ruled out running again.


ps: Condi looks funny in this picture.


by NuevoLiberal on Sun May 20, 2007 at 07:24:47 AM EST

Re: 44% Iowa Dems would like to see Gore run!! (3.00 / 2)

I saw that article--I think that question is a proxy for, do you like Gore. It is different from asking if someone would caucus for Gore if he were running.

I know a few holdouts for Gore, but it's not 44 percent of Iowa Democrats.

Also, as a former Kerry supporter who worked hard for him in late 2003, I don't know anyone among former Kerry supporters who wishes he were running for president this time. He had his chance. That same poll is showing that 23 percent of Iowans supposedly wish Kerry were running for president. Doesn't sound right to me.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun May 20, 2007 at 10:44:38 AM EST
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asdf (none / 0)

I think that question is a proxy for, do you like Gore

I respectfully disagree. I think that the latter question would give in the 75-85% favorable range for Gore among Dems.

The polled question IMO measures whether they would consider Gore with sufficient degree of interest, should he enter the race.

Actually, I think that nationwide, the race dynamic is pefectly set for a tectonic shift towards Gore, should he want to enter the race and times his entry well.


by NuevoLiberal on Sun May 20, 2007 at 11:17:21 AM EST
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Re: asdf (none / 0)

I don't see it.  I know you Gore supporters predict that there would be a huge shift from the current candidates, but I don't sense that among many of the people I know.  Maybe 3.


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by jallen on Sun May 20, 2007 at 11:25:16 AM EST
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Gore will easily gain 5 points (none / 0)

from HRC's huge 35+%, and a couple of points each from JRE, Obama, and a few points from the rest of the field, within days of announcing (if he choosed to do).

That'd put him in the 20-25% range, in second place,  possibly in a tie with Obama. Then, he can tie up with HRC by the time primaries begin, and proceed to win the nomination.


by NuevoLiberal on Sun May 20, 2007 at 11:31:48 AM EST
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Re: Gore will easily gain 5 points (none / 0)

Yeah, I don't see it.  There's a lot of satisfaction in the candidates who we have, except for people that already support Gore and Clark, I think.  It's the Republicans who need someone on a white horse.  They can't stand their candidates.


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by jallen on Sun May 20, 2007 at 11:33:50 AM EST
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If you argue that Gore can't gain 5 pts from HRC, (3.00 / 0)

based on the current numbers, only Obama has a chance to defeat HRC. This can be inferred from the "without Clinton" poll numbers in the recent FNOD poll:


links here

With Gore:

Clinton: 35%
Obama: 20
Gore: 13
Edwards: 13
Richardson: 4

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"without Clinton" results (shifts from HRC in parens):
Obama: 34 (+14)
Gore: 23 (+10)
Edwards: 16 (+3)
Richardson: 5 (+1)


This shows that 10% chunk from HRC's 35% have Gore as their second choice, and 14% as Obama. This is  potential support they can draw from Hillary, by making a case that they'd be a better choice than HRC.

Edwards doesn't gain much in any of the "without XYZ" scenarios in that poll (in fact, he is the second choice for only 9% after his 13% first choice):

and so Edwards has a significantly lesser chance to gain enough to defeat HRC than Obama or Gore.


by NuevoLiberal on Sun May 20, 2007 at 11:46:32 AM EST
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Re: If you argue that (none / 0)

Well, I don't like Obama's style, and I don't trust him on a few key issues yet, where he hasn't proven himself yet.  Since I don't give either he or Edwards much of a chance (Edwards about 15%, Obama about 20%, at best) of winning the nomination, I can safely back the only other candidate than Hillary who actually leads in a state, and he's also within the MOE withi Barack in averages of NH, and He's well positioned for Michigan and other states later (not to mention the candidate who's most appealing to me).  I'm less certain of how Barack could win but by steady attrition over time, but Edwards is doing that, too.


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by jallen on Sun May 20, 2007 at 12:03:57 PM EST
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Re: If you argue that (none / 0)

I love the way people just make up numbers on this site. You don't true Edwards or Obama, but who do you trust? HRC?


by bruh21 on Sun May 20, 2007 at 06:01:49 PM EST
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Re: If you argue that (none / 0)

I said I give them a 15% or 20% chance of winning.  A lot of that is based on really quick judgements in my head, not thorough calculations.

On trust, I try not to trust any politicians.  But I support Edwards.  My father recently had a meeting with him, and said he seemed very genuine, even humble.  I don't doubt much that Obama is genuine, I just don't know where he stands, really.  I'm not a fan of the Clintons.


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by jallen on Sun May 20, 2007 at 06:14:44 PM EST
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Re: Gore will easily gain 5 points (none / 0)

If Gore got in I used to think it would turn into a Clinton Gore race but now I think Obama and Edwards have too much support for that to happen.


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by robliberal on Sun May 20, 2007 at 01:03:11 PM EST
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Re: Gore will easily gain 5 points (none / 0)

It'll be a four-way race, if Gore gets in. Edwards is nationally polling worse that I had expected him to at this point. Obama as expected since we saw his initial polls.

Gore has an opening as seen in the table above: with 13% first choice and 19% second chance, even now, as a non-candidate, he is better positioned that Edwards (13% 1st and 9% 2nd). Given the likely bounce from announcing, Gore'd have at least as much a chance of winning as Obama does. Given how his favorables rose to 60% (among genl public) after a brief appearance at the Oscar's, I have no doubt left that he will win the race, if he enters it.


by NuevoLiberal on Sun May 20, 2007 at 01:51:01 PM EST
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Re: Gore will easily gain 5 points (none / 0)

I think if Gore got in Edwards would be done, and Obama would still keep his younger supporters and could still win with a "change" message especially if the thing got ugly between Clinton and Gore. That's why I think Gore will not run, when he's not in the race he looks real good but can you imagine mess of a race it would be if he entered? I would stick with Obama even though I think Gore would be a great president, it's 2008 it's simply time for new people to take over the Democratic party, even Gore has too much history to really change much in Washington.


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by nevadadem on Sun May 20, 2007 at 02:29:21 PM EST
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Re: Gore will easily gain 5 points (none / 0)

even Gore has too much history to really change much in Washington.

His experience in Washington will help him get things done. A good example was how well he was rec'd (other the two jackassess Barton and Inhofe) at the recent congressional hearings, and the apparently strong impact it has left.

His time away from DC gives the additional impetus to reform the party and the institutions with help from folks like Dean, Feingold, Conyers, Boxer, Durbin, Obama (as VP), etc. He can create a good cabinet role for Edwards on labor and poverty issues if Edwards would like to serve (or he may want to look at running for NC-Gov), since he does have a lot of energy.

I think that Gore/Obama is just what the country needs at this point.


by NuevoLiberal on Sun May 20, 2007 at 02:48:32 PM EST
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Re: Gore will easily gain 5 points (none / 0)

I believe if Gore got in, it would hurt Edwards and Obama tremendously.   Gore already polls ahead of Edwards in basically every single poll, and that is with us all assuming that he won't run.   A Gore entry would throw this race into a duel between Clinton and Gore.   Obama and Edwards would be easily crowded out (IMO.)

Of course, the chance of Gore getting involved is slim to none.


by georgep on Mon May 21, 2007 at 07:27:09 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

I think these polls aren't exactly useful right now. Especially on the GOP side. Let's wait and see until/if Thompson gets in the race.


by rikyrah on Sun May 20, 2007 at 01:41:00 PM EST

They are moderately useful ... (none / 0)

... for laying out the terrain for the campaign over the summer ... nobody serious is taking them as having any value in predicting the outcome, since there is just too much campaigning to go.

They certainly are far more useful to understanding the current state of play than the meaningless national polls.


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by BruceMcF on Sun May 20, 2007 at 04:01:27 PM EST
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Go Romney! (none / 0)

He'd be so easy to beat!


by Terryus on Sun May 20, 2007 at 04:08:10 PM EST

Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Edwards. Who beats him in all the polls.


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by cosbo on Sun May 20, 2007 at 05:49:11 PM EST

Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (3.00 / 0)

this is 8 months out with clinton already fading fast...we may see a purely obama-edwards race in iowa


by jed on Sun May 20, 2007 at 07:26:51 PM EST

Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Interesting.  The aggregate of ALL polling shows a tightening to a non-existing lead.  The one fading is Edwards (even with this poll added to the mix.)


by georgep on Mon May 21, 2007 at 07:28:44 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Explain (I know it isn't Iowa).


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by jallen on Mon May 21, 2007 at 06:11:59 PM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Clinton is fading fast?  Hmmm.  She leads in N.H. by a good margin; she is catching up to Edwards in Iowa (even beat him in one recent poll, thus tripling her numbers since Dec.); she is ahead by miles in Florida, N.Y., Nevada, Ohio and many other states.

And don't forget ... Hillary opened a dozen new field offices in Iowa over the past two weeks.  Her campaign there is just beginning to gain strength, unlike Edwards who has been working Iowa endlessly for years.  


by samueldem on Sun May 20, 2007 at 09:10:36 PM EST

Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

At the end of the day, no matter how many "offices" you open, the public must vote for you.  And that is the bottomline.  If she does not connect to the Iowans, if they do not "like her" (keepin' it real, folks vote for who they like), then her support erodes and the support is soft at best.

The reporter from Washington Journal said it best this morning, Mr. Debois stated that this is going to be a "generational race".  And it is.  This campaign is about the past/establishment and the moving forward/the future.  And if Hillary can not get enough of the young engaged to vote for her, and Obama keep them engaged to vote for him, then this race is down to the wire.

At this point, I see Obama more momentum, he is drawing people from all across the sector and different races/economic groups.  But he will send Hillary Clinton a strong message, if the young people come out en masse for him.  If this happens, Hillary goes back to NY and finish out her senate term.


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by icebergslim on Sun May 20, 2007 at 09:23:33 PM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (3.00 / 1)

That poll in which Hillary was beating Edwards had tiny sample sizes, and had the gender distribution backwards from what it usually is.  I don't take it seriously.


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by jallen on Sun May 20, 2007 at 10:03:10 PM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

I thought we are supposed to look at all polls, the entirety of the polling universe, and go with the averages?   Has that rule now been suspended?   This poll has many weaknesses which have been pointed out, but add it to the mix.    What do you get?

The RCP average is now showing a 3% lead for Edwards, the lowest it has been.  This is a tie within the margin of error.  Even with this poll added to the mix, there is no denying that Edwards has lost his hold on Iowa and that polls have become extremely tight.  

The current RCP averages:

Edwards 27%

Clinton 24%

Obama 21.5%

Looking at averages is the only way to go.  This poll, as flawed as it may be, adds another marker to the averages, just like all the other polls.   If you look at the averages as the overriding factor, you won't get too giddy if a "good" poll (for your candidate) shows up and too down if a "bad" poll shows up.   The averages tell the true story.  


by georgep on Mon May 21, 2007 at 07:52:10 AM EST

One observation (none / 0)

I've noticed that realclearpolitics left the new desmoineregister.com poll out of their data..why is that?

Second,i've always wondered why Hillary is doing so great in states that aren't voting early, but doing poorly in Iowa,SC and NH.

She does have a lead in NH, but the 2 latest zogby poll is showing a tight race between her and Obama.

Hillary 28
Obama 26
Edwards 15

Her double digits lead in NH is no more...We also have a very close race in SC and the latest SC poll showed Obama with a 4 poin lead.


by JaeHood on Mon May 21, 2007 at 08:45:12 AM EST
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Re: One observation (none / 0)

The RCP averages did NOT leave out this poll.  It is just not called "The Desmoines-Register" poll.  


by georgep on Mon May 21, 2007 at 08:51:49 AM EST
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Re: One observation (none / 0)

...and, you are wrong once again.  The NH race shows as a 12-point Clinton lead, which is actually better than her national average.  That is CLEARLY a double-digit lead.  SC is tight, but shows a 4.5% Clinton lead.  But it has been tight there for a while.  The other three early states Florida, Nevada and Michigan, show her with very strong leads.  

The big news out of Iowa this past week has been that Iowa has tightened considerable, wheras before it was somewhat safe in Edwards' pocket.  Being now only 3 points behind Edwards in Iowa (a tie within the Margin of Error) is the best showing Clinton has had in Iowa yet.  

So, you see, your post makes very little sense when examined closer, jaehood.  


by georgep on Mon May 21, 2007 at 09:07:53 AM EST
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Re: One observation (none / 0)

Hillary double digit lead in NH is no more..I dont care what the RCP is saying...the 2 latest polls clearly shows that this is not soo...The last poll has Obama within 2 point with a 3.7 MOE..The race in NH is tight and she's lost a lot of ground there.

In Iowa,she's in a 3 way race...Why is it that she doesn't have a double digit lead in Iowa just like the other states??..Because the citizens of Iowa are already paying attention while the other states arent.

Florida will not be slated to vote in the same day with SC...I was reading in article that stated they will dealt with somehow.


by JaeHood on Mon May 21, 2007 at 09:36:53 AM EST
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Re: One observation (none / 0)

This is starting to get ridiculous.   You are, once again, utterly wrong.  Please quit writing things that are simply not true, it makes you look very bad.

Hillary double digit lead in NH is no more..I dont care what the RCP is saying...

You don't CARE?   Great.  You just want to pick what you like and dismiss what you don't like.   Suit yourself, but that is a very suspect way of looking at things.  


the 2 latest polls clearly shows that this is not soo..

That is just simply not true.  Zogby (which many here find to be a suspect poll to begin with) shows one picture, but the poll right before that showed a very strong Clinton lead (the widely respected Survey USA poll.)   Yet, here you are, trying to claim that the 2 latest polls clearly show this is not so which is absolutely incorrect.    

As for Iowa:  Edwards has practically LIVED in the state since 2001.  The news here is that he is not farther ahead in that one state, that both Clinton and Obama are seriously breathing down his neck right now.  

Jaehood, please try to be a little more careful and dilligent with your posts.  You can't call something that is a regular discussion post "vicious" and you can't fudge polls to suit you as you please.  


by georgep on Mon May 21, 2007 at 09:56:58 AM EST
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Re: One observation (none / 0)

SURVEY USA poll for NH shows 4% UN-DECIDED. They thus pushed people for a response.

I don't take any poll seriously that has an un-decided vote RESPONSE of less than 10% At this stage of the process 8 months before the primary.

If it were within a week to 10 days then it would be appropriate.m


by BDM on Mon May 21, 2007 at 11:29:18 AM EST
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Re: One observation (none / 0)

Being now only 3 points behind Edwards in Iowa (a tie within the Margin of Error) is the best showing Clinton has had in Iowa yet.

The poll you are referring to showed no change in relative terms for months now.


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by clarkent on Mon May 21, 2007 at 09:46:50 AM EST
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Re: One observation (none / 0)

I was referring to the poll averaging done by sites like RCP, Pollster.com, pollingreport.com, etc.   Isn't the 3 point lead/margin shown today lower than it has been in the Iowa race?  I believe before last week Edwards was ahead in Iowa by 6.4%, or close to that.  


by georgep on Mon May 21, 2007 at 10:00:58 AM EST
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Re: One observation (none / 0)

Well, if you're averaging polls, you really shouldn't talk about MOE.


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by clarkent on Mon May 21, 2007 at 10:10:26 AM EST
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Re: One observation (none / 0)

Ok, fair enough.  


by georgep on Mon May 21, 2007 at 10:20:17 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (3.00 / 2)

So, george, why can't I post a diary about a single poll, when you and rob diary about just about every poll released?
And how can it be, since Edwards lead is stonger here than in other recent polls, and Hillary is weaker, that it's further tightening in the averages?

And you cannot say this is a worse poll than the fucked up one that showed Hillary ahead.  That one had ridiculous samples.


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by jallen on Mon May 21, 2007 at 01:57:57 PM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Where did I state that you can't post a diary about a single poll?    All important polls should have a diary with it, otherwise we won't see them.  Who is served by that?  

"How can it be...that it's further tightening in the averages?"

 My guess is that is because other recent polls have shown a different picture, and if you average all the polls out (including this one that shows better numbers for Edwards) you arrive at the current picture.  


by georgep on Mon May 21, 2007 at 02:38:58 PM EST
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Bottomline... (none / 0)

again, too early for these polls.  But what Iowa is saying, from the Des Moines Register, is that ppl make be rebuking the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton theory and want someone totally different for the nominee.  Again, since 1988 we have had one of those names in the WH, and after this atrocious president, a new person would be refreshing, to many voters out there.


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by icebergslim on Mon May 21, 2007 at 10:25:24 AM EST

Re: Bottomline... (3.00 / 1)

The Desmoines Register historically has been the best poll for the IA caucuses. They know the process and have an excellent record in determing a caucus attendee.

Previous posts on IA I have stated let's see what the register's poll has to say. I believe this poll carries far more weight than the other polls for IA. The worst poll historically for the IA caucuses has been the ARG poll.

The Desmoines Register endorsed John  Edwards just prior to the Caucuses and is given a lot of credit for his good showing in IA. HE FINISHED WITH 32% of the vote to Kerry's 38


by BDM on Mon May 21, 2007 at 11:10:02 AM EST
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Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

Yes, it is wayyyy to early to look at Iowa polls. Don't read too much into them at least until after labor day. The Des Moines register has tons of clout with voters and you just never know who they'll endorse.


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by BlueCheese on Mon May 21, 2007 at 12:39:34 PM EST

Re: Big Poll News in Iowa (none / 0)

I saw the Chris Mathews show tonight and he mentioned this poll and the results were splashed all over the screen.

He seemed surprise that John Edwards was leading and Hillary was in 3rd place.

I donot think I have seen any other poll of a primary nature splashed on the tv set like this poll. I certainly see a lot of national polls shown on TV.

i KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF THE dESMOINES rEGISTER IN IA AND OF COURSE THIS POLL WILL GET A BIG PLAY.


by BDM on Mon May 21, 2007 at 08:27:25 PM EST
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